Pour all of the paint from the can into a clean five-gallon bucket, and add a half-cup … Always test new thinners with different brands of paints just to make sure they work. Reducers are used for urethane-based paints. It is therefore important to check that the product you are buying is made specifically for the purpose that you are going to use it with. Link ... 128-fl oz Fast to Dissolve Lacquer Thinner. It's always best to use the correct and recommended additive and reducers with any paint products. The calculations for measuring your thinner involve simple multiplication. Just FWIW. However, I once tried mineral spirits as a thinner. Thin-X Latex Paint Thinner). If you want to reduce drying times with enamels, try adding some Japan drier, available in most hardware stores. There are some disadvantages to this (Possible damage to the paint itself, risk of crazing or melting the plastic with a heavy application and paint flash drying, leading to poor quality finish and adhesion). Add more acetone or more Rust-Oleum to make the mixture thicker or thinner, measuring the amount you add. Skip to main content. It also will clean such surfaces to remove any grease or grime. The latter are sometimes compatible with enamel systems, and are sometimes effective as universal cleaning agents. Why do you do it? Michael Carpenter has been writing blogs since 2007. The main difference between thinners and reducers is in the paint type that is being applied. I put laquer thinner into my pot of enamel, which was a VERY expensive enamel as well... Needless to say, it turned into cottage cheese almost immediately... By signing up you may also receive reader surveys and occasional special offers. Advertisement The latter is often called mineral spirits. I've never used laquer thinner anywhere near enamels since.. Just as a cleaner.. i know this is an old thread, but I’m willing to bet you were using acrylic single-stage enamel. The best way to remove the sheen is by putting the thinner into a spray device. It does make a great cleaner. Lacquer thinner is intended to thin lacquers, which dry, rather than cure. A urethane reducer would probably be a bit risky, but I've done complete paint jobs and a ton of assorted parts with acrylic enamel using lacquer thinner as a reducer. 10-30-2008, 01:38 PM #4 For example, if the paint is an enamel-based product, do not use a thinner, … Depending on what solvents are in your lacquer thinner, they may change the behavior of the binder, but that effect is as likely to be negative as it is positive. Secondly, can you use lacquer thinner on car paint? If i where to guess it, its because the lacquer thinner breaks up the pigment better than the mineral spirets. Today I laid out a coat of lacquer on it. It sometimes works in very small quantities but it's in the acetone family and may not be compatible with the flavor of enamel you have. Without this information in hand, any action you take would be like “an accident looking for a place to happen.” For example, as simple a thing as dabbing a little lacquer thinner on a towel and rubbing it on a spot could result in paint removal. Likewise, can you use acetone to thin polyurethane? like i said ive been useing it for close to 20 years most of my experiance is fromm working in a body shop. or so I am lead to believe...only ever used it with Wood stain, hehe, and I did not hold a stopwatch to it. I now only buy stuff that specifically says turpentine or mineral spirits. of thinner. While the term mineral spirits could mean any of a number of materials, in a hardware store it usually means turpentine. We sell industrial formulations of acetone and eco-friendly paint thinning agents, among solvents for many other specific or general uses. But they come in opaque containers, so you cannot see this milkiness until you buy it. When thinning or cleaning tools covered in latex paint, you should instead use plain water or a specially-formulated latex-based paint thinner (e.g. The result speaks for itself. The only time that I mix the two is during clean-up by shooting laquer thinner through my AB. I thought I was missing some secret or subtle advantage. Using one kind of thinner for a different purpose may cause the surface of your furniture to worsen. Example of Lacquer paint are Mr.Color and Modo paint. Typically used with a good sized nozzle and fairly high pressure, you just keep blasting till done. Lacquer thinner in enamel is popular for painting model cars. It’s important that we use Tamiya’s brand of lacquer thinners as it’s specifically designed to be used on plastic models and the like, and will not eat the plastic away. one can use Naptha to thin and speed up enamel drying time. which i beleve gives you a smoother paint job. The fixes for each symptom are time-consuming and require you to use more paint to complete the job correctly. Each paint manufacturer uses its own terminology when it comes to solvents. Thinners are for lacquer-based paints. The SCA Multi-Purpose Thinner is suitable for thinning lacquer paints and primers as well as cleaning spray equipment and paint brushes. For acrylics I use denatured alcohol period. Don Yost commercial builder and highly regarded contest builder also does it that way and with a Paasche H. Here's a video as to why if it will load, it's 10 minutes long: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCKZ_fo4eW0. He mentioned doing metalizer paints with the H and you can but I use a Badger 200 and fine needle personally and see a difference. Yes you can thin enamel paints with lacquer thinner. I've come across quite a few mentions of folks using lacquer thinner to thin enamel for spraying through an airbrush. This was plenty of drying time. With the Solvable Product Selector Tool, you’ll always find the right product solution for your thinning challenge. For example, if one or more of the solvents in the blend causes de-linking of the binder polymer, it will reduce viscosity, possibly produce a thinner coating, but the polymer may never fully cross-link, producing a more fragile coating. From then on I stick to brand name thinners for the appropriate paint. If you want to dilute a gallon of single-stage urethane paint by 5 percent then you'll need to multiply 0.05 by 128. I have read on some other forums of cutting Tamiya acrylics with laquer thinner to shoot the paint easier and not allow the nozzle to dry up. To me it's more a matter of cost and convience. 'Nuff said. Ross Martinek My first experience with laquer thinner wasn't a good one.. I've got both a hardware and a lumberyard that stock the thinner and an automotive supply store that carries the reducer - all within less than 5 minutes from my house. Mineral spirits or paint lacquer thinner … which is better? Item #622049. Turpentine is usually used to thin and to clean up enamel. For example, some European companies refer to reducers as thinners, which can be very confusing. The process of refining crude oil to produce gasoline, kerosene and other fuels also yields a number of other products, including solvents. What are the advantages? As thinners, mineral spirits will dry quicker. Faster drying time? He is a mortgage specialist with over 12 years of experience as well as an expert in financing, credit, budgeting and real estate. 32-fl oz Slow to Dissolve Linseed Oil. There are now some synthetic paint thinners out there that are lousy for thinning enamels. Wash all paint residue out it with lacquer thinner and a rag once you get all the paint out of it, then let it air dry. Not my experience nor several model car builders experience who post to you tube. Lacquer thinner can cause damage to plastic and rubber as well. The main difference between thinners and reducers is in the paint type that is being applied. You will also need a few buckets large enough to hold the paint that you want to thin and a wooden stirring stick. Turpentine also is generally more costly. Those who use them for enamels, as far as I can tell, use them for the reasons you mentioned. Michael holds licenses in both real estate and life and health insurance. "Lacquer thinner" has no specific composition. I did not have much hope for it but, gave it a try anyway. Check paint container labels for the manufacturer's recommended paint to paint thinner ratio. Well, although enamels do dry harder and, faster when cut with lacquer thinner,,,you still CANNOT lay lacquer over top of them. Can't think of one. I've never had any of the problems listed above. I can buy a gallon of lacquer thinner or automotive enamel reducer for a heck of a lot less than than I can buy the equivalent amount of OEM thinner at a hobby shop. The contents of your paint will define what type of thinner you will use. For example, 1 gallon of paint is 128 liquid oz. Apply the thinner evenly across the surface, let it sit momentarily, then remove. Thinners and reducers in automotive paints are both solvents used to thin paint. It doesn't do any harm to the enamel paint and you can buy it at Lowe's/Home Depot or pretty much any hardware store by the gallon. We do not sell, rent or trade our email lists. Model #GJLT130. Plus the fact that I can get either locally. You have to use proper acrylic enamel reducer for that. A Paasche H is capable enough but if you want really fine lines with a super atomized mist coming out you might want to look at something else. Right out of the gate turpentine is derived from pine resin ( and it smells it too) and mineral spirits from petroleum ( and it smells it, like kerosene actually). But that's not an expensive brush either. Find a Store Near Me. My first experience with laquer thinner wasn't a good one.. For example, if the paint is an enamel-based product, do not use a thinner, but rather a reducer. Brian, I very seldom go in this direction but the guy at the paint store that tells you to put lacquer thinner in enamel is a MORON and should NOT be trusted with ANYTHING in the paint business. Write down the amount you add so when the viscosimeter reads correctly or the paint performs the way you want in the spray gun, you can thin future batches by the same amount. I love "out of the box" thinking. When speaking of lacquer thinner, is this the same as mineral spirits or is it something different? Our community is FREE to join. If you’re not sure, and you need to know the difference between acetone and paint thinner for your specific applications, the chemists at Ecolink can help. The finish was "different" and drying time doubled. The Paasche H and #3 needle are well suited to model car finishes though, I use one a lot for that or base coats, priming etc. The aforementioned lacquer thinner works really well with MM enamels. tis a crazy world out there. I let my enamel that was thinned using lacquer thinner dry about 2 weeks. OOPS. It can be anything and everything, as far as solvents are concerned. The paint thinning process needs to be handled with care because oil, latex, lacquer and enamel based paints can require different paint thinners and treatment for optimum results. Fill a spray bottle with paint thinner or lacquer. The common paint thinner is turpentine. Thanks for the replies guys. I used it also, without issue. Sorry but real turpentine and real mineral spirits are not the same. However, you can thin many acrylics with Lacquer Thinner. Old Hans is long gone from around here.A great and helpful contributer,he is missed.I think he is okay,I think I heard computer issues,I don't know if he posts anywhere else. Use small amounts of thinner at a time. While the purpose of the two is basically the same, thinners and reducers are used on very different paints. Premium Enamel Thinner. Often you come across great ideas on the forums. Copyright 2020 Leaf Group Ltd. / Leaf Group Media. This test will involve taking Tamiya acrylic paint and thinning one portion with Tamiya X20-A acryrlic thinners, and another portion of paint thinned with Tamiya lacquer thinners. It gives you fast wet coat that doesn't sag or run very easy with a super shine and no orange peel. It dries several times faster than generic paint thinner or mineral spirits. Turpentine is not good as a cleaner, it remains sticky on the surface, mineral spirits works fine to clean surfaces. That’s its own animal altogether. For cleaning brushes, paint thinner is best since it’s half the cost of mineral spirits and basically works the same. Several substances can be used to thin polyurethane including turpentine, mineral spirits, paint thinner or, in some cases, water. Shop paint thinners and a variety of paint products online at Lowes.com. If the under paint isn't hardened it will lift and wrinkle. It is very important that you follow the directions from the manufacturer exactly to get the best results. But they literally are not the same substance, people might think so but they aren't. I like this fellas thinking, dont waste the dollars on things that aren't worth it, use the dollars wisely for buying/making the models. You will need to choose the appropriate thinner or lacquer to mix with the type of auto paint you will be using. This will ensure no problems come from the paint, assuming you thin it to the manufactured specs. For general purpose thinning, a 3:1 or 4:1 ratio of paint to thinner or similar ratio is appropriate. Find paint thinners at Lowe's today. Which means SWMBO is happy and I've got more money to spend on kits & AM. If you want the utmost best results out of your paint, I’d recommend you go with the thinner that is made by, & recommended by the same company of the paint you use. Each brand of automotive paint will come with instructions on which solvent to use and what the mixing requirements are for the paint and solvent. Lacquer thinner can cause damage to plastic and rubber as well. Crude is a mixture of hydrocarbon chains of various lengths and structures with unique boiling points. Compare; Find My Store. This combo can often be cured enough to mask over without fear of pulling the fresh paint off within minutes - usually by the time I've cleaned the airbrush to accept the next color.. The cleaner jar is always open and a drop or two with a pipette saves the day. If the lacquer thinner contains either amyl, ethyl, or both, you can use them to thin out the gloss or sheen on surfaces. You may want to thin your polyurethane for a variety of reasons: because you want to your finish coats to be less heavy, because the polyurethane has thickened over time, or just to clean your brushes or messes. I use lacquer thinner for enamels as well as lacquer based paints. Just add water. In short it works and it doesn't do all the nasty things mentioned above in what ever post it was. Test by using a less aggressive cleaning solvent that you know will not harm lacquer, enamel, clear-coats, plastic, rubber, or vinyl surfaces and see if it will remove the overspray. for pricing and availability. Ive been useing lacquer thinner to thin myy enamels for close to 20 years with out any issues what so ever. Lacquer paint requires a special kind of paint thinner aptly named lacquer thinner to make it even. The two solvents are not interchangeable. I like a blend of lacquer thinner and mineral spirits for enamel on car bodies if to use solvent paints. No. I use it to wipe down the paint cup, needle and outside of my airbrush no matter what paint I'm using. Other than the price, the differences between the two solvents are subtle: Both are petroleum products. It is a generic blend of solvents—anything from mostly alcohol (original lacquers were alcohol soluble) to a very esoteric blend. Using the wrong one could ruin your paint. Color bleed is caused by solvents reacting with the undercoats, causing the undercoat color to show through the top finish. It's adjustment range is much finer and over a broad range by comparison to the H. No, lacquer thinner is a stronger solvent. It may contain mineral spirits (it usually doesn't) but it is not the same as mineral spirits. Three full wet coats basically. Closest hobby shop is a minimum of 1 hr round trip plus the cost of the gas. However, one or more solvents in many lacquer thinners is highly aggressive to styrene, and thus the paint is essentially melted into the plastic. You NEVER put lacquer thinner in enamel. Of the three it’s also the most toxic, so make sure that you are in a well-ventilated area as well as using a mask when handling lacquer. They have dissolved material which precipitates out and can mess up a paint job. Did not like it. The paint will tell you explicitly whether a thinner or a reducer should be used to thin the paint. Just remember he's hosing down a car body there. Now I use it primarily as an AB cleaner but every once in a while I'll find myself with one hand full and a sealed enamel thinner container while needing a drop or two of thinner for the AB. Some lacquer thinners are sold specifically for clean up while others can be solely for thinning. Based on manufacturer’s recommendations its good to avoid products such as lacquer thinner or mineral spirits for thinning – although you can use them for the quick clean-up. With all the reducers, and dryers that are in lacquer thinner you won't have to worry about it destroying anything. It is a generic blend of solvents—anything from mostly alcohol (original lacquers were alcohol soluble) to a very esoteric blend. So what this fella is saying, is you can achieve phenominal results, without having to spend heaps of dollars on an airbrush, that just aint worth all those dollars. The only effect lacquer thinner would have on pigment dispersal would be a lowering of viscosity, like any other reducing solvent. Then again, sometimes you come across ideas that seem like they are more trouble than they are worth. Jasco. You also mentioned the drawbacks. It is very important that the solvent selected matches with the manufacturer's recommendations for which solvents to use, including using the right proportions and taking into consideration various environmental situations, such as hot or humid weather. The two solvents are not interchangeable. If your painting over dried enamel that was hardened with a paint hardened you will be ok. Reducers are used for urethane-based paints. The latter are sometimes compatible with enamel systems, and are sometimes effective as universal cleaning agents. Although, I use the cheap stuff from Wal Mart (Kleen Strip brand). It is a VERY good thinner for acrylics and I thin Tamiya paints wtih LT for airbrushing in particular. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Both can thin enamels such as alkyd enamels but not suggested for acrylic enamels. The result is 6.4, so you should measure 6.4 liquid oz. To separate these out, refiners boil the crude and pass the vapors through distillation tubes in a procedure known as fractional distillation. These additives make the paint flow better so the result is even, professional coats. Thinners are for lacquer-based paints. For Alclad paint, I use acetone. This thinner offers medium to fast drying time. Lacquer thinner is intended to thin lacquers, which dry, rather than cure. 97. These items are sold at any hardware supply store. But the question is why? Excellent video, quite a few who "espouse" the dearest internal mix airbushes, should take a look at what can be achieved with just a very ordinary el-cheapo external mix airbrush. Don't use lacquer thinner. If you have any questions, contact the manufacturer directly to verify whether the solvent and paint selected will work together properly before applying it to your automobile. They have a milky appearance rather than water-clear. View our, Tools, Techniques, and Reference Materials, From: Peoples Socialist Democratic Republic of Illinois. What is the benefit of thinning with lacquer thinner instead of paint thinner, mineral spirits or whatever? And both thinner and reducer do the same job just as well. It's repeatable, I've done it myself. It is important to keep the amount of paint higher than the amount of paint thinner. You can still get that with a single action brush or double but it's going to be internal mix most likely. The future will soon be a thing of the past. A little strangeness, now and then, is a good thing…. If you want a universal thinner for both enamels and acrylics... try Lacquer Thinner. It's smoother and a finer mist coming out. Some symptoms that the solvent used was incorrectly matched to the paint include poor gloss and adhesion, dullness, chalking, cracks or splits, blisters, sanding swell, blushing or bleed-through of color. 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